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Cooktop and wall oven
Post by lovinmrv on Apr 23rd, 2011, 7:20pm

I want to put a 30-36" gas cooktop with an electric oven, in a base cabinet, underneath. I'm not using a standard wall oven cabinet because I cannot spare the counter space. Two questions:
1. Do you advise against this approach?
2. How do I render it in the Cabinet Planner program?

Thanks in advance!
Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by BrettA on Apr 24th, 2011, 10:25am

I used this same design for my kitchen. Use a "Base" cabinet for a width of 30 or 36. Most wall ovens fit in a 30. Adjust your left and right stile to make the proper width for your oven opening. Also, adjust your drawer and rails to accommodate the proper height for your oven opening, choose "0" doors. Select "Walloven", size it and place it, then do the same for the counter and the cook top. Double check your clearances for your appliances. Good luck.
Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by Abu on Apr 24th, 2011, 10:37am

If you have to go this route then you have to.

It can be done as Brett both mentioned and made work in his kitchen. The key words here are check your clearances.

The biggest problem I've run into with this approach is that the oven sits too close to the floor resulting in the oven door handle hitting the floor. Also, it's difficult to see into the oven because of it's lower placement as compared to a range oven.

These are just my "two cents". Maybe Brett can elaborate on his set-up....

Good luck!

Tony
Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by lovinmrv on Apr 24th, 2011, 11:52am

Thanks guys, perhaps I am being too anal. I could go the dual fuel route and put in a range. If I do that, however, I wat to have front mounted controls...I really dislike reaching over the burners to turn things on and off....

Another question, though it's a tad off topic....Where do I enter material prices? I can't seem to find it in the standards pages, and the $$ tells e the cost of each cabinet, based upon some cost data.

And, lastly, I am going to paint the cabinets, so I am thinking of MDF with poplar face frames. I should note that these cabinets will be topped off with a concrete counter. I'm planning on building hardwood bases to keep the MDF off the floor.

Comments?
Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by trulycustom on Apr 24th, 2011, 1:27pm

I agree with Tony, check your clearances. The last gas cook top I put in had the unit depth plus regulator and fittings that came with the cook top hanging down into the cabinet approx. 6" before I attached any of the supply gas line and it was located in the right middle of the cook top. Fortunately for me it was a drawer bank under cook top so I just had to remake the top drawer with a shorter depth so it didn't hit the regulator. I have a dual fuel in my house and the control knobs are located between the burners toward the front on the unit, not on the back but it is a 40" wide model.

You can enter pricing per foot of cabinet in the Set Standards menu choice. Don't think there is an option to enter pricing for say...one sheet of plywood, or MDF or what have you.

Also, I tint a lot of cabinets and the poplar face will work just fine. I do a lot of doors with MDF panels and poplar stile/rails when tinting them. I just watch the poplar with routing and final sanding because I have noticed it can get a bit fuzzy on the edges.

The separate base should work just fine. I build mine out of birch plywood, especially when installing in older homes with un-level floors.

Hope some my ramblings will be helpful.

Kent
Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by dhg on Apr 24th, 2011, 1:29pm

The prices for cabinets are in the "Set Standards" drop down menu under "Prices". The numbers in each box are prices per running foot of cabinet. You cannot input sheet good, or board foot prices for materials.

Seeing your making these cabinets for yourself, you can go click on "Calc" and find out how much materials the program says you need in "panel layout" and manually figure out your costs there.

Personally I would not use MDF. I don't think it has any holding power and it's messy as heck to work with. I just don't like the stuff and would go with plywood boxes.

Rich
Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by Abu on Apr 24th, 2011, 4:04pm

Do as Rich suggests! Go with plywood!

MDf just doesn't hold up as well. Since you're going with concrete tops (or granite for that matter) the weight would make MDF cases too risky in my opinion.
More so, MDF doesn't have the finish that melamine or plywood can offer not to mention how heavy that material can be!

In the end you'll be glad to have gone with either of the latter although 3/4 birch or maple plywood for the bases would offer the most strength and stability.

Poplar is a good choice for frames and doors since it is stable, relatively inexpensive, and easily workable. Just be aware that with any wood there is movement and may result in minor cracking at the joints after painting.

Tony
Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by lovinmrv on Apr 26th, 2011, 03:13am

OK, for the life of me I can't find a place to enter any cost data....except for hinges, etc...
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Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by lovinmrv on Apr 26th, 2011, 05:20am

So, I'm going to use plywood, and I'm going to paint the cabinets. what grade should I use?

Do I need the expense of multiply or will the HD $45 per sheet work?

Thx
Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by trulycustom on Apr 26th, 2011, 09:44am

Depending on the requirements I usually use a B1 or B2 domestic birch ply-core sheet for boxes, the call it "custom cabinet" at my supplier, it runs me about $56 a 4x8 sheet when buying in less than a full unit . If the customer (you in this case) is concerned with costs I can use a 3/4" (actually about 11/16") import birch ply-core sheet (4x8) for about $31.00/sheet. The plys are not even close to being consistent in the import sheet and the veneer layer is much thinner but if you are shooting tinted lacquers it may not matter to you. I can also get an import birch that is pre-finished 1 or 2 sides so I don't have to touch the interiors unless you are tinting the interiors as well. I use the pre-finished 2 sides for mostly shelving. The pre-finished sheets run about $37 and $41 respectively, again when purchasing less than a full unit. Hope that helps.

Kent
Re: Cooktop and wall oven
Post by mike on Apr 28th, 2011, 5:19pm

the place i deal with has stuff called sign board ...has a plywood core with a mdf surface can achieve a way smoother finish than plywood alone