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Post by Poppy on Nov 1st, 2009, 09:29am
When installing shelves - Is it a standard not to dado the sides and partition to slide in the shelves.
Re: Shelves
Post by SanCabs on Nov 1st, 2009, 3:49pm
In the enviroment of a cabinet shop, I'm not sure it is cost effective for us. We use a hand jig from Rockler and use 5 mm shelf pins. However, if it's not production work, I would spend the time to dado them in, it will make a much stronger and stable unit. Most if not all of our customers like the adjustability so we do it on everything.
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Post by Charlie S. on Nov 1st, 2009, 4:27pm
Not really. The most common ways are with aluminum pilasters & clips ( KV #255 and #256 ) or drill holes in the sides/petitions either with a jig or a multi-spindle boaring machine. We use the latter, with much success The setup options are almost endless.Hope this helps
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Post by BrettA on Nov 1st, 2009, 5:28pm
The use of a dado to slide the shelf into would be appropriate for a non-adjustable shelf and would add to the strength of the case. Their use could depend on the project and the type of work, ie. production vs custom work. Many of the shelves that are in kitchen cabinets are adjustable and will use 1/4" or 5mm pins fitted into drilled holes in the sides of the case or hardware of some sort to ease their height adjustment. Adjustable shelves add little to the strength of the case but add the value of versatility for the end user.
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Post by Elie on Nov 1st, 2009, 7:21pm
Hello to alli am a first timer here dado is a good system but i think more than what you need for a standard kitchen for some commercial applications it could be good.
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Post by abu on Nov 2nd, 2009, 05:10am
A dado will works out fine, but as mentioned in the other posts, nothing beats the versatility of an adjustable shelf which,in my opinion, is a selling point. Not to mention the ease of replacing that shelf should it get damaged or worn over time;an impossibility with a fixed shelf.
Another plus for adjustable shelving is the ease and speed of drilling out the pin holes. There is way less dust, hassle, and mess than cutting and laying out the dadoes.
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Post by taylorcabinet on Nov 3rd, 2009, 5:11pm
We have also found that customers like the adjustable shelves. To strenghten them we always add a 1 1/2 inch banding to the front of shelf. If the cabinets are maple we use maple and profile it to match door profile.
Re: Shelves
Post by johnch on Nov 5th, 2009, 11:09pm
for fixed shelves dado is old school, use confermat screws, faster and stronger.
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Post by EDP on Nov 13th, 2009, 12:06pm
for fixed shelves dado is old school, use confermat screws, faster and stronger.
Faster?...........perhaps. Stronger?.......better rethink that one.
Ed
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Post by johnch on Dec 3rd, 2009, 11:14pm
well just as strong. with the confermat there will never be any movement in the side walls
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Post by Jeff on Dec 4th, 2009, 04:24am
Sorry John. You need to rethink that one again. Confirmats are not going to be nearly as strong as a dado.
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Post by johnch on Jan 7th, 2010, 10:50pm
try banging on the side wall and shelf with a hammer, think you will find the confermated shelf will win out over dadoed. but hopefully your customers wont be doing that. point being both methods work great, confermat will save time though. time = $
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Post by edp on Feb 23rd, 2010, 3:45pm
try banging on the side wall and shelf with a hammer, think you will find the confermated shelf will win out over dadoed. but hopefully your customers wont be doing that. point being both methods work great, confermat will save time though. time = $
Huh ? My shelves, glued into dado's and screwed through the side wall wiggling loose Nah, I ain't buying it. I have had reason to attempt to disassemble more than one and I'm here to tell you that the best answer when that occurs is to build a new cabinet. I'll stick with the dado's.
Ed
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Post by johnch on Apr 4th, 2010, 2:57pm
what are you talking about? you just said you put a screw through the dado, of course its not going to move, thats the point! use a confermat skip the dado and glue get the same result. thats why its the AWI standard.
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Post by dhg on Apr 5th, 2010, 9:44pm
thats the point! use a confermat skip the dado and glue get the same result. thats why its the AWI standard.
johnch, excuse my ignorance, but what is a "confermat". I've been following this post and haven't been able to figure out what it is. Please enlighten me.
Thanks, Rich
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Post by Rob on Apr 5th, 2010, 11:53pm
Keep it nice boys!
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Post by dhg on Apr 6th, 2010, 9:06pm
Thanks for the link Rob. I guess I have seen them before on KD furniture but didn't know the name of them. I will have to keep them in mind on future projects.
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Post by edp on Apr 7th, 2010, 02:49am
what are you talking about? you just said you put a screw through the dado, of course its not going to move, thats the point! use a confermat skip the dado and glue get the same result. thats why its the AWI standard.
Keep in mind that anything found in the AWI Standard is only included to identify the least acceptable process. Also, keep in mind that on a glued and screwed joint, the screws are merely acting as disposable clamps to secure the joint until the glue cures. I will stick with the dado.
Ed
Re: Shelves
Post by johnch on Jul 21st, 2010, 4:52pm
to each his own can build awesome cabinets (with confirmats) cant spell to save my life lol
