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Poppy
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« Thread started on: Nov 1st, 2009, 09:29am » |
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When installing shelves - Is it a standard not to dado the sides and partition to slide in the shelves.
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #1 on: Nov 1st, 2009, 3:49pm » |
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In the enviroment of a cabinet shop, I'm not sure it is cost effective for us. We use a hand jig from Rockler and use 5 mm shelf pins. However, if it's not production work, I would spend the time to dado them in, it will make a much stronger and stable unit. Most if not all of our customers like the adjustability so we do it on everything.
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #2 on: Nov 1st, 2009, 4:27pm » |
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Not really. The most common ways are with aluminum pilasters & clips ( KV #255 and #256 ) or drill holes in the sides/petitions either with a jig or a multi-spindle boaring machine. We use the latter, with much success The setup options are almost endless.Hope this helps
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #3 on: Nov 1st, 2009, 5:28pm » |
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The use of a dado to slide the shelf into would be appropriate for a non-adjustable shelf and would add to the strength of the case. Their use could depend on the project and the type of work, ie. production vs custom work. Many of the shelves that are in kitchen cabinets are adjustable and will use 1/4" or 5mm pins fitted into drilled holes in the sides of the case or hardware of some sort to ease their height adjustment. Adjustable shelves add little to the strength of the case but add the value of versatility for the end user.
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #4 on: Nov 1st, 2009, 7:21pm » |
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Hello to alli am a first timer here dado is a good system but i think more than what you need for a standard kitchen for some commercial applications it could be good.
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #5 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 05:10am » |
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A dado will works out fine, but as mentioned in the other posts, nothing beats the versatility of an adjustable shelf which,in my opinion, is a selling point. Not to mention the ease of replacing that shelf should it get damaged or worn over time;an impossibility with a fixed shelf.
Another plus for adjustable shelving is the ease and speed of drilling out the pin holes. There is way less dust, hassle, and mess than cutting and laying out the dadoes.
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #6 on: Nov 3rd, 2009, 5:11pm » |
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We have also found that customers like the adjustable shelves. To strenghten them we always add a 1 1/2 inch banding to the front of shelf. If the cabinets are maple we use maple and profile it to match door profile.
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #7 on: Nov 5th, 2009, 11:09pm » |
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for fixed shelves dado is old school, use confermat screws, faster and stronger.
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #8 on: Nov 13th, 2009, 12:06pm » |
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on Nov 5th, 2009, 11:09pm, johnch wrote:| for fixed shelves dado is old school, use confermat screws, faster and stronger. |
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Faster?...........perhaps.
Stronger?.......better rethink that one.
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Come on in, the beer is cold and the wood is dry
We keep the Red Oak piled six feet high
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #9 on: Dec 3rd, 2009, 11:14pm » |
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well just as strong. with the confermat there will never be any movement in the side walls
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #10 on: Dec 4th, 2009, 04:24am » |
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Sorry John. You need to rethink that one again. Confirmats are not going to be nearly as strong as a dado.
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #11 on: Jan 7th, 2010, 10:50pm » |
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try banging on the side wall and shelf with a hammer, think you will find the confermated shelf will win out over dadoed. but hopefully your customers wont be doing that. point being both methods work great, confermat will save time though. time = $
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #12 on: Feb 23rd, 2010, 3:45pm » |
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on Jan 7th, 2010, 10:50pm, johnch wrote:| try banging on the side wall and shelf with a hammer, think you will find the confermated shelf will win out over dadoed. but hopefully your customers wont be doing that. point being both methods work great, confermat will save time though. time = $ |
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Huh  ?
My shelves, glued into dado's and screwed through the side wall wiggling loose Nah, I ain't buying it. I have had reason to attempt to disassemble more than one and I'm here to tell you that the best answer when that occurs is to build a new cabinet. I'll stick with the dado's.
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Come on in, the beer is cold and the wood is dry
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #13 on: Apr 4th, 2010, 2:57pm » |
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what are you talking about? you just said you put a screw through the dado, of course its not going to move, thats the point! use a confermat skip the dado and glue get the same result. thats why its the AWI standard.
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Re: Shelves
« Reply #14 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 9:44pm » |
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on Apr 4th, 2010, 2:57pm, johnch wrote:| thats the point! use a confermat skip the dado and glue get the same result. thats why its the AWI standard. |
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johnch, excuse my ignorance, but what is a "confermat". I've been following this post and haven't been able to figure out what it is. Please enlighten me.
Thanks, Rich
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